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		<title>&#8220;To be, or not to be …&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quoth Peter Bleackley on Twitter: If Shakespeare had created a #conlang, would it have had a null copula? That is the question. &#8212; Peter Bleackley (@PeteBleackley) May 7, 2013 Indeed, besides Peter&#8217;s joke (that took me a while to recognize &#8230; <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3379">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoth Peter Bleackley on Twitter:</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" width="550"><p>If Shakespeare had created a <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23conlang">#conlang</a>, would it have had a null copula? That is the question.</p>
<p>&mdash; Peter Bleackley (@PeteBleackley) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteBleackley/status/331868775253151745">May 7, 2013</a></p></blockquote>
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<p>Indeed, besides Peter&#8217;s joke (that took me a while to recognize …), it would be interesting to compare how various languages with a zero copula translate Shakespeare&#8217;s probably most famous quotation (yellow marking mine):</p>
<div id="attachment_3380" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 410px"><img class="size-full wp-image-3380 " alt="To be, or not to be, that is the queſtion" src="http://benung.nfshost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/3379-tobeornottobe.jpg" width="400" height="139" /><p class="wp-caption-text">&#8220;To be, or not to be, that is the queſtion&#8221; (William Shakespeare, Hamlet, III.1)</p></div>
<p>Since Ayeri is a language with a zero copula – that is, the copula, &#8220;be,&#8221; does not have a phonetic realization – I was wondering how to translate this quotation. However, I would rather expect from context that the way &#8220;be&#8221; is used in English here refers to existence: the verb &#8220;be&#8221; is used as a full, content verb rather than the copula as a function. That is, the way Hamlet uses &#8220;be&#8221; does not suggest that he is assigning a quality to the subject, as in &#8220;The king <em>is</em> dead,&#8221; or &#8220;I <em>am</em> suicidal.&#8221;</p>
<p>In spite of possessing a zero copula, Ayeri nonetheless has an overt verb for &#8220;be&#8221; in the meaning of &#8216;exist&#8217;: <em>yoma-</em>. However, what Ayeri still lacks is a proper infinitive – the only non-finite form there is, is the participle, but you can&#8217;t usually use this as a nouny standalone thing as in English.<sup class='footnote'><a href='#fn-3379-1' id='fnref-3379-1'>1</a></sup> A possible solution to this problem is to use the noun, <em>yomān</em> &#8216;existence&#8217;. This raises another question, though: how do you negate that, that is, what do you get for &#8216;inexistence&#8217;? Searching the dictionary for nouns in <em>in-/ir-/il-, dis-, un-</em> doesn&#8217;t reveal any obviously negated nouns.<sup class='footnote'><a href='#fn-3379-2' id='fnref-3379-2'>2</a></sup></p>
<p>Besides verbs, the only other category that can be negated are adjectives, which are rather noun-like in Ayeri. Adjectives may be negated by <em>-oy</em> and <em>-arya</em> (which has a variety of allomorphs), and since the negation of &#8216;existence&#8217; we need here is categorical rather than transitory, I would choose <em>-arya</em>. This results in <em>yomāryān</em> as a possible negation:</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>yoma-</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>exist</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>-arya</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>-NEG</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>-an</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>-NMLZ</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8216;inexistence&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>On the other hand, since <em>yomān</em> is already derived from a verb and verbs get negated with <em>-oy</em>, another possible derivation could be <em>yomoyan</em>:<sup class='footnote'><a href='#fn-3379-3' id='fnref-3379-3'>3</a></sup></p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>yoma-</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>exist</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>-oy</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>-NEG</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>-an</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>-NMLZ</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8216;inexistence&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the latter case is more succinct, so I&#8217;d translate the famous line from <em>Hamlet</em> as:</p>
<blockquote><p>Yomān soyang yomoyan – adareng prantānley.<br />
<div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Yomān</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>existence</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>yomoyan</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>inexistence</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>–</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>–</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>ada-reng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>that<span class='smcp'>-A.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>prantān-ley</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>question<span class='smcp'>-P.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8216;Existence or inexistence, that is the question.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>Note that in the first half of the sentence, the nouns are not case marked. I chose not to mark them for case since as far as I can tell, they do not fit into the case frame of any verb here, besides the fact that the sentence above does not include any overt verb.</p>
<p>Of course, using less enigmatic language while it still being a bit of a pun, I could also simply translate:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ten soyang tenyan – adareng prantānley.<br />
<div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ten</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>Life</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>tenyan</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>death</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>…</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>…</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8216;Life or death – that is the question.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>But that would&#8217;ve been boring.</p>
<p><em>[EDIT: David J. Peterson <a href="https://twitter.com/Dedalvs/status/332225409280258050">informs</a> that the "[u]sual route is &#8216;to live or not to live&#8217;.&#8221; Phrasing it exactly that way doesn&#8217;t work in Ayeri either, though. —CB, 2013-05-08, later]</em></p>
<div class="sources">
<ul>
<li>Shakespeare, William. <em>The Tragicall Historie of Hamlet, Prince of Denmarke.</em> London, 1604. [27.] The Tragedy of Hamlet Prince of Denmarke: An Electronic Edition. <em>The Shakespeare Quartos Archive.</em> Shakespeare Quartos Archive. Mar. 2009. Web. 8 May 2013. ‹<a href="http://www.quartos.org" target="_blank">http://www.quartos.org</a>›. (The image the presented excerpt is taken from was published under CC-BY-NC.)</li>
</ul>
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<div class='footnotedivider'></div>
<ol>
<li id='fn-3379-1'>I&#8217;m not sure if there&#8217;s something in the Grammar about this. If the Grammar allows participles to stand on their own, my usage has changed meanwhile. <span class='footnotereverse'><a href='#fnref-3379-1'>&#8617;</a></span></li>
<li id='fn-3379-2'>A possible candidate would be <em>tenyan</em> &#8216;death&#8217;, though, since &#8216;life&#8217; is <em>ten</em>&#8216;; <em>-ya</em> is one of the allomorphs of <em>-arya</em> (cf. below). Ayeri quite loves <em>-ya</em> as a morpheme! <span class='footnotereverse'><a href='#fnref-3379-2'>&#8617;</a></span></li>
<li id='fn-3379-3'>With the transitory adjective negation <em>-oy</em>, the outcome would indeed have been the same, so it really doesn&#8217;t matter here. <span class='footnotereverse'><a href='#fnref-3379-3'>&#8617;</a></span></li>
</ol>
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		<title>What I work with</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 13:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Occasionally, fellow conlangers – especially beginning ones – want to know how other people work and what tools they use. Here is my stuff: I&#8217;m working on a 6 years old laptop currently running Ubuntu 12.04. Personally, I find that &#8230; <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3346">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occasionally, fellow conlangers – especially beginning ones – want to know how other people work and what tools they use. Here is my stuff:</p>

<a href='http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3346/dsc_0348_dt' title='Desk'><img width="446" height="300" src="http://benung.nfshost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/DSC_0348_dt-446x300.jpg" class="attachment-small-feature" alt="My desk. With my laptop on it." /></a>
<a href='http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3346/dsc_0350_dt' title='Paper vocab list'><img width="447" height="300" src="http://benung.nfshost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/DSC_0350_dt-447x300.jpg" class="attachment-small-feature" alt="Paper vocabulary list" /></a>
<a href='http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3346/dsc_0355_dt' title='Paper notes'><img width="446" height="300" src="http://benung.nfshost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/DSC_0355_dt-446x300.jpg" class="attachment-small-feature" alt="Paper notes. These are taken in German, but I more often take notes in English so I don&#039;t need to translate them." /></a>
<a href='http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3346/dsc_0362_dt' title='Books'><img width="446" height="300" src="http://benung.nfshost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/DSC_0362_dt-446x300.jpg" class="attachment-small-feature" alt="Part of my language books shelf" /></a>

<p>I&#8217;m working on a 6 years old laptop currently running Ubuntu 12.04. Personally, I find that Linux is way more language friendly than Windows since it&#8217;s far more configurable and open for tinkering with input methods and such things. Besides that, I like to take notes on paper sometimes, especially when it&#8217;s vocabulary. Notes taken on the computer I often print out and put them into the ring binder where I keep my handwritten notes. Vocabulary lists are, however, always transferred to the computer from paper as quickly as possible. Also important, of course, are books for research. Whether my own or borrowed from my university&#8217;s library. One thing: university libraries are <em>awesome</em>! I already dread the day I won&#8217;t have access to one anymore.</p>
<p>On the computer, the mainly relevant software I use is:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.wordpress.org" target="_blank">WordPress</a> for editing this website. I&#8217;m running it <a href="http://www.nearlyfreespeech.net" target="_blank">on my own, paid webspace</a> so I have full control over it. However, WordPress is both a blessing and a curse because although maintaining a website is rather easy with it, it&#8217;s very popular, so you get lots of spammers and crackers trying to litter up and conquer your site for their own nefarious purposes.</li>
<li><a href="http://kde.org/applications/utilities/kate/" target="_blank">Kate</a> or any other text editor to quickly take digital notes and to edit code</li>
<li><a href="http://www.phpmyadmin.net" target="_blank">phpMyAdmin</a> and <a href="http://www.djangoproject.com" target="_blank">Django</a> to maintain the <a href="http://www.mysql.org" target="_blank">MySQL</a> database I keep my dictionary in. I wrote some things in PHP to tie the database querying frontend into WordPress myself. WordPress&#8217; template system comes in handy here: the form you can see on the <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/dico" target="_blank">Dictionary page</a> is an HTML template file that calls a PHP script which queries the database and returns the results.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.libreoffice.org/features/writer/" target="_blank">LibreOffice Writer</a> to take more fancy notes and prepare PDFs</li>
<li><a href="https://www.libreoffice.org/features/calc/" target="_blank">LibreOffice Calc</a> to keep lists</li>
</ul>
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		<title>&#8216;Locational&#8217; Dative and Genitive with Prepositions</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2013 16:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the Grammar (§ 5.4) I mention something I dubbed &#8216;locational dative/genitive&#8217;, where instead of the locative case marker you would use the dative and genitive case marker respectively to indicate simple &#8216;to&#8217; and &#8216;from&#8217; – so basically, the dative &#8230; <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3206">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Grammar (§ 5.4) I mention something I dubbed &#8216;locational dative/genitive&#8217;, where instead of the locative case marker you would use the dative and genitive case marker respectively to indicate simple &#8216;to&#8217; and &#8216;from&#8217; – so basically, the dative is coupled with a lative meaning and the genitive with an ablative meaning, respectively:</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>nimp-ye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>run<span class='smcp'>-3SF.T</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>māva-yam</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>mother<span class='smcp'>-DAT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>yena.</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>3SF.GEN</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8216;She runs to her mother.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>The example with the genitive that is currently in the grammar is not really locational at all, actually, now that I look at it. But anyway, lest I forget, here&#8217;s something I came across while translating something for myself today:</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Yam</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>LOCT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sarayan</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>go<span class='smcp'>-3PM</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>ayonang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>man<span class='smcp'>-A</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sam</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>two</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>manga</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>MOT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>ling</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>top</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>natrang,</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>temple<span class='smcp'>-T,</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>no</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>want</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>natratang.</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>pray<span class='smcp'>-3PM.A.</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8216;Two men went up to the temple; they wanted to pray.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>In this case, it&#8217;s one of those &#8216;locational&#8217; datives, but extended by a preposition unlike in the example from the Grammar above. Here, the preposition <em>(manga) ling</em> &#8216;(to the) top of&#8217; does not trigger the locative case as usual, but the dative case. This is because with the locative, the phrase would imply that the two men were going literally to the top of the temple, that is, they end up standing on its roof. This is not the intended meaning, because they are only going up <em>to</em> the temple, that is, the temple is on a hill – Ayeri can&#8217;t distinguish &#8216;up&#8217; from &#8216;to the top of&#8217; just with the preposition. So, in order to differentiate going up to from going to the top of, the dative and the locative case are used respectively. The same works for &#8216;come down from X&#8217;:</p>
<blockquote><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>saha-</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>come</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>manga</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>MOT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>avan</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>bottom</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''><span class='smcp'>X-</span>na</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>X-GEN</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>as opposed to</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>saha-</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>come</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>manga</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>MOT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>avan</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>bottom</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''><span class='smcp'>X-</span>ya</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>X-LOC</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8216;come to the bottom of X&#8217;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Also, in the same translation challenge to myself, I discovered that it would make sense to allow <em>div-</em> &#8216;to stay&#8217; to be used as a modal (ish), so that for example you can say <em>diva bengyāng timangya</em> &#8216;he remained standing at a distance&#8217;, as opposed to remaining seated at a distance. Now, what&#8217;s the difference between <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/dico?w=div*-" rel="nofollow"><em>div(a)-</em></a> &#8216;stay, remain&#8217; and <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/dico?w=hang-" rel="nofollow"><em>hang-</em></a> &#8216;keep, hold; remain, stay&#8217;, though?!</p>
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		<title>Conlanging: &#8220;Metal as F*ck&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seen on Twitter: conlangers are ppl that sit down and are like hey yo imma make up a whole damn language. thats metal as fuck &#8212; YA BOY NOAM CHOMSKY (@YABOYCHOMSKY) March 10, 2013 It&#8217;s just a parody account, but &#8230; <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3182">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seen on Twitter:</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" width="550"><p>conlangers are ppl that sit down and are like hey yo imma make up a whole damn language. thats metal as fuck</p>
<p>&mdash; YA BOY NOAM CHOMSKY (@YABOYCHOMSKY) <a href="https://twitter.com/YABOYCHOMSKY/status/310804504251617280">March 10, 2013</a></p></blockquote>
<p><script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script></p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a parody account, but – I lol&#8217;d <img src='http://benung.nfshost.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>The Name of the Game (Literally!)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 12:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today, I sent the following message to CONLANG-L: On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:36:27 -0300, Leonardo Castro wrote: On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 01:00:54 -0300, Leonardo Castro wrote: A. &#8220;language-spoken-by-people-X&#8221;: English, Français, Português, tlhIngan Hol (?), etc. * &#8220;language of &#8230; <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3160">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, I sent the following <a href="http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=conlang;1fc55cd2.1303b" target="_blank">message to CONLANG-L</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 13:36:27 -0300, Leonardo Castro wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 01:00:54 -0300, Leonardo Castro wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>A. &#8220;language-spoken-by-people-X&#8221;: English, Français, Português, tlhIngan Hol (?), etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>* &#8220;language of linkers&#8221;, &#8220;language of community&#8221;, &#8220;language of this group&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;linker&#8221; has two senses: people who link themselves to others and the &#8220;verbs&#8221; that link a noun to another ;</p></blockquote>
<p>And then, there&#8217;s German, whose self-designation, <em>Deutsch</em>, just meant ‘people-ish’ originally, from Germ.-MLat. <em>theodiscus</em> ‘belonging to one&#8217;s own people’, cf. PG <em>*þeuðō</em> ‘people’ + <em>-isk-</em> ‘adj. related to’ (OHG <em>thiutisk</em>, MHG <em>tiutsch</em>), according to the <a href="http://www.dwds.de/?qu=deutsch" target="_blank">dwds.de entry for ‘deutsch’</a>. It&#8217;s of course also the origin of the word <em>Dutch</em>.</p>
<p>I have nothing figured out yet for my own conlang, but it&#8217;s been peeving me for some time already that I made the name in <em>-i</em>, since <em>-i</em> is not a derivative morpheme in this language. People have suggested that it might be an exonym. OTOH, the people&#8217;s endonym might be <em>Ayer</em>, though that&#8217;d be an unusual word in the language, since only few words end in <em>-r</em>. I don&#8217;t remember if I coined <em>aye</em> ‘people, crew’ from that consciously; a word for ‘people’ I coined later anyway and which I used more frequently is <em>keynam</em>. As alternatives based on what was listed here before, there would be <em>narān</em> ‘language’ (<&nbsp;<em>nara-</em> ‘to speak’), <em>narān ban</em> ‘good language’, <em>narān biming</em> ‘understandable language’. ‘Language of the people’ would be <em>narān keynamena</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m really tempted to pick one from the list of noun-plus-adjective phrases and make that an endonym right now, maybe with some wear and tear added. Having a proto-language to derive a term from and pipe that through the customary sound changes would certainly come in handy here. But how about <em>Naramban</em>, or <em>Banaran</em> (with inverted order for euphony), or just <em>Bimingan</em> &#8216;the Intelligible&#8217;?<sup class='footnote'><a href='#fn-3160-1' id='fnref-3160-1'>1</a></sup> Since I also mentioned German, another route to follow would be something like ‘our&#8217;s’, possibilities for which include <em>sitang-nana</em> ‘of our own, ourself&#8217;s’ (nominalized <em>sitang-nanān</em>, could be shortened to just <em>Nanān</em>), <em>da-nana</em> &#8216;that of us&#8217; (nominalized <em>da-nanān</em>). I think I like <em>Bimingan</em> and <em>Nanān</em> best.</p>
<p><em>[EDIT: Co-conlanger <a href="http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=conlang;d0424e4c.1303b" target="_blank">H. S. Teoh notes</a> that names tend to fossilize and reflect older stages of the language, so that it wouldn’t be a problem to have </em>Ayer<em> or </em>Ayeri<em> even as the native name for the people and their language. Hadn’t thought of that, but yes. —CB 2013-03-10]</em></p>
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<li id='fn-3160-1'>Note that the Slavic word for &#8216;German&#8217;, PSl. <em>*němьcь</em>, originally meant &#8216;dumb, mute&#8217; and, by extension, &#8216;foreigner&#8217; according <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Germany#Names_from_Slavic_regions" target="_blank">to Wikipedia</a>. <span class='footnotereverse'><a href='#fnref-3160-1'>&#8617;</a></span></li>
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		<title>Pronoun worries</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, I&#8217;ve lately been thinking that animate 3rd person pronouns in Ayeri are terrible from a naturalistic point of view: it&#8217;s -ya for masculine, -ye for feminine, -yo for &#8216;neuter&#8217; (effectively, things considered animate but 1. whose gender &#8230; <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3131">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve lately been thinking that animate 3rd person pronouns in Ayeri are terrible from a naturalistic point of view: it&#8217;s <em>-ya</em> for masculine, <em>-ye</em> for feminine, <em>-yo</em> for &#8216;neuter&#8217; (effectively, things considered animate but 1. whose gender is unknown; 2. which don&#8217;t overtly display, or don&#8217;t possess, sexual dimorphism; 3. also occasionally groups of mixed gender). I think it&#8217;s rather untypical for natural languages to exhibit that kind of regular vowel alternation to show changes in the same category?</p>
<p>Plus, animacy actually doesn&#8217;t play any important role in Ayeri, that is, there are no syntactic restrictions imposed on inanimate constituents, for example – which doesn&#8217;t preclude introducing some in the future, but I wasn&#8217;t aware of this for a long time and I am somewhat hesitant to break continuity. But anyway, animacy in Ayeri is mostly just a formal thing that is limited to third-person verbs, noun case suffixes, and pronouns (besides, 8&nbsp;×&nbsp;12 distinct personal pronouns – minus a few mergers – are also kind of silly). It could just as well be dropped and nothing would be lost. On the other hand, a certain level of redundancy in signals is actually a good thing if the transmitting channel is impaired. If you&#8217;ve ever had a conversation in a loud environment, you know what I mean. But still, meh.</p>
<p>Comments are open, should you have any suggestions or natlang evidence you want to share.</p>
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		<title>What I&#8217;ve been up to recently</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There hasn&#8217;t been much going on here recently. This is mainly due to working on the research for my BA thesis at the moment. However, I&#8217;ve also done a little general information hunting on causative constructions on the side that &#8230; <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/3121">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There hasn&#8217;t been much going on here recently. This is mainly due to working on the research for my BA thesis at the moment. However, I&#8217;ve also done a little general information hunting on causative constructions on the side that will eventually result in a blog article discussing Ayeri&#8217;s way of handling these things in more detail. I touched on the topic briefly and tentatively already in a thread respectively on <a href="http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=CONLANG;6d904c6f.1301B" target="_blank">Conlang-L</a> and the <a href="http://www.incatena.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&#038;t=41504" target="_blank">ZBB</a>. Especially in the case of the ZBB thread, be aware that I&#8217;ve corrected myself multiple times in the course of it. And I&#8217;m still not quite sure if I&#8217;ve understood everything correctly, so if you&#8217;re knowledgeable about Tagalog <em>et al.</em>,<sup class='footnote'><a href='#fn-3121-1' id='fnref-3121-1'>1</a></sup> don&#8217;t hesitate to contact me for correction. Both threads are basically only about syntactic ways of handling causative marking, but Ayeri definitely also has morphologic causative marking on verbs (e.g. <em>kond-</em> &#8216;eat&#8217;, <em>kondisa-</em> &#8216;feed&#8217;) as well as some lexical causatives (e.g. <em>tenya-</em> &#8216;die&#8217;, <em>tomba-</em> &#8216;kill&#8217;). Some more thoughts on that will likely go into the blog entry as well, of course.</p>
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<li id='fn-3121-1'>Ayeri&#8217;s case marking was originally inspired by a misunderstood and simplified version of that by way of lacking linguistic background knowledge at the time. I&#8217;ve kept coming back to it recently in order to compare and see where I&#8217;ve been &#8220;wrong&#8221;. <span class='footnotereverse'><a href='#fnref-3121-1'>&#8617;</a></span></li>
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		<title>Correlative Conjunctions</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the course of my website renovation I added a way to search the dictionary by semantic fields (&#8216;tags&#8217;) so as to be able to list words thematically as well. While working on tagging words, I came across yet another &#8230; <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/2961">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the course of my website renovation I added a way to search the dictionary by semantic fields (&#8216;tags&#8217;) so as to be able to list words thematically as well. While working on tagging words, I came across yet another bit about Ayeri that&#8217;s been annoying me for a longer time: correlative conjunctions, specifically <em>either … or</em> and its negative counterpart <em>neither … nor</em>. According to what is in the dictionary, these are formed as <em>in … in</em> and <em>sing … sing</em>, respectively.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s too odd a strategy to introduce both NPs with the same particle, what I now think is kind of stupid is that both <em>in</em> and <em>sing</em> do not occur in any other context and aren&#8217;t related to anything else. As particles, they&#8217;re not alone in this regard, but as a part of Ayeri&#8217;s esthetics, I was trying to keep its system of conjunctions as simple as possible, mostly relying on <em>nay</em> &#8216;and&#8217;, <em>soyang</em> &#8216;or&#8217; and <em>nārya</em> &#8216;but, although&#8217;. So here are some thoughts on avoiding <em>in</em> and <em>sing</em>, which I haven&#8217;t used much in the past anyway.</p>
<h2>1. AND</h2>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>vacye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>like<span class='smcp'>-3SF</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ø&nbsp;Mari</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>T.NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Jon</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>nay</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>and</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Paul<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>.</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME.</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;Mary likes John and Paul.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>vacye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>like<span class='smcp'>-3SF</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sano/kamo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>both/same</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ø&nbsp;Mari</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>T.NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Jon</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>nay</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>and</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Paul<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>.</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME.</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;Mary likes both John and Paul.&#8221;<br />
= &#8220;Mary equally likes John and Paul.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The explicit emphasis of Mary liking both men can be produced by using <em>sano</em> &#8216;both&#8217; or <em>kamo</em> &#8216;equal, same&#8217; as an adverb.</p>
<h2>2. OR and XOR</h2>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>vacye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>like<span class='smcp'>-3SF</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ø&nbsp;Mari</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>T.NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>​<em>​sa&nbsp;Jon​</em>​</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>​<em>​sa&nbsp;Paul​</em>​<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>?</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME?</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;Does Mary like <em>John</em> or <em>Paul</em> (or possibly both)?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Since Ayeri is not supposed to be a <em>loglang</em>, i.e. a logical language, inclusive and exclusive OR are conflated and must be interpreted by the recipient according to context, just like in English and many (most? all?) other natural languages.</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>vacye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>like<span class='smcp'>-3SF</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sano/kamo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>both/same</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ø&nbsp;Mari</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>T.NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Jon</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Paul<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>.</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME.</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
<div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>vacye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>like<span class='smcp'>-3SF</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ø&nbsp;Mari</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>T.NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Jon</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang-soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>either~or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Paul<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>.</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;Mary likes either John or Paul.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The same construction as with <em>nay</em> &#8216;and&#8217; above can be used here, but with <em>soyang</em> &#8216;or&#8217;. Alternatively, the conjunction can be reduplicated to <em>soyang-soyang</em>, compare <em>naynay</em> &#8216;and also, furthermore&#8217;.</p>
<h2>3. NAND and NOR</h2>
<p>The constructions here are like their positive counterparts above, but with a negated verb:</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>vacoyye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>like<span class='smcp'>-NEG-3SF</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ø&nbsp;Mari</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>T.NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>​<em>​sa&nbsp;Jon​</em>​</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>​<em>​sa&nbsp;Paul​</em>​<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>?</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME?</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;Doesn&#8217;t Mary like <em>John</em> or <em>Paul</em> (or possibly both)?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>vacoyye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>like<span class='smcp'>-NEG-3SF</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ø&nbsp;Mari</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>T.NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Jon</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>nay</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>and</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Paul<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>.</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME.</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;Mary doesn&#8217;t like John and Paul.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>vacoyye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>like<span class='smcp'>-NEG-3SF</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sano/kamo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>both/same</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ø&nbsp;Mari</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>T.NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Jon</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>nay</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>and</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Paul<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>.</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME.</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
<div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>vacoyye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>like<span class='smcp'>-NEG-3SF</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sano/kamo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>both/same</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ø&nbsp;Mari</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>T.NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Jon</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P-NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Paul<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>.</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P-NAME.</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
<div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>vacoyye</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>like<span class='smcp'>-NEG-3SF</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Ø&nbsp;Mari</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>T.NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Jon</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang-soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>either~or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>sa&nbsp;Paul<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>.</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>P=NAME.</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;Mary doesn&#8217;t like both John and Paul.&#8221;<br />
= &#8220;Mary doesn&#8217;t like either John or Paul.&#8221;<br />
= &#8220;Mary likes neither John nor Paul.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The examples so far have only covered objects of transitive verbs, but conjunctions of course may also be used between adjectives, for example, in predicative constructions, which is what we want to deal with in the following paragraphs.</p>
<h2>4. AND with predicative adjectives</h2>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Seygoreng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>apple<span class='smcp'>-A.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>tuvo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>red</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>nay</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>and</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>paso.</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>sweet.</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;The apple is red and sweet.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the same as with the object NPs of transitive clauses. However, when emphasizing that both qualities are to be applied to the subject, the verb <em>kama-</em> &#8216;to be equal, to be as … as&#8217; is used in place of the adverb <em>kamo</em> (or <em>sano</em>, respectively) above:</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Kamareng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>be.equal<span class='smcp'>-3S.INAN.A</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>tuvo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>red</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>nay</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>and</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>paso.</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>sweet.</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;It is both red and sweet.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Note that this is slightly different from adjective comparation – although the same verb <em>kama-</em> is used in that circumstance – in that there is no conjunction between NPs in comparation:</p>
<blockquote><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Eng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>kamāra</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>be.equal<span class='smcp'>-3S.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>seygo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>apple<span class='smcp'>.T</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>paso</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>sweet</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>bilingley.</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>honey<span class='smcp'>-P.INAN.</span></dd>
</dl>
</div>

<p>&#8220;The apple is as sweet as honey.&#8221;</p>
<div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Eng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>AT.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>kamāra</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>be.equal<span class='smcp'>-3S.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>seygo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>apple<span class='smcp'>.T</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>paso</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>sweet</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>tuvo.</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>red.</dd>
</dl>
</div>

<p>&#8220;The apple is as sweet as (it is) red.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<h2>5. OR and XOR with predicatives adjectives</h2>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Adareng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>that<span class='smcp'>-A.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>tuvo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>red</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>paso?</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>sweet?</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;Is it red or sweet (or possibly both)?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, the same construction as with regular object NPs is used for simple coordination.</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Kamareng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>be.equal<span class='smcp'>-3S.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>tuvo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>red</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>paso.</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>sweet.</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;It is either red or sweet.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This construction is a little more idiomatic and uses kama- as well, however with soyang &#8216;or&#8217;, not <em>nay</em> &#8216;and&#8217; in order to express disjunction. The construction with reduplicated <em>soyang</em> does not occur here.</p>
<h2>6. NAND and NOR with predicative adjectives</h2>
<p>Of course, negation is possible with predicative adjectives as well.</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Adareng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>that<span class='smcp'>-A.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>voy</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>not</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>tuvo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>red</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>voy</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>not</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>paso?</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>sweet?</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;Is it not <em>red</em> or not <em>sweet</em> (or possibly neither)?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The same strategy as with simple predicative adjectives is used here for negation, compare:</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Seygoreng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>apple<span class='smcp'>-3S.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>voy</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>not</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>paso.</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>sweet.</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;The apple isn&#8217;t sweet.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Since there is no verb that the negative suffix <em>-oy</em> can attach to, it is used in its free particle form, <em>voy</em>. For &#8216;neither … nor&#8217;, the following construction can be used in analogy to the positive version above:</p>
<blockquote><p><div class='cb-gloss' style='margin-bottom: 0em;'>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>Kamoyreng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>be.equal<span class='smcp'>-NEG-3S.INAN</span></dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>tuvo</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>red</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>soyang</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>or</dd>
</dl>
<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>paso.</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>sweet.</dd>
</dl>
</div>
<br />
&#8220;It is neither red nor sweet.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a means of poetry, I&#8217;ve so far only used syllable count.<sup class='footnote'><a href='#fn-2915-1' id='fnref-2915-1'>1</a></sup> What about rhyming word stems, though? For example, <em>karon</em> &#8216;water, sea&#8217; and <em>beson</em> &#8216;ship&#8217; rhyme – /rɔn/ : /sɔn/. Could they still be considered to rhyme even if arbitrary suffixes were stacked on them (or not), e.g.:</p>
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	<dt class=''>Silvu</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>ˈsɪl.vu</dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>see<span class='smcp'>-IMP</span></dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>See</dd>
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	<dt class=''>​<u>​beson​</u>​yeley,</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>ˌbe.sɔn.je.ˈlɛɪ</dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>ship<span class='smcp'>-PL-P.INAN</span></dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>(</span>the)&nbsp;ships<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>,</span></dd>
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	<dt class=''>Yam</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>jam</dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>DATT</span></dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>To₁</dd>
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	<dt class=''>sarateng</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>ˌsa.ra.ˈtɛŋ</dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>go<span class='smcp'>-3P.INAN</span></dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>they&nbsp;go</dd>
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	<dt class=''>​<u>​karon​</u>​</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>ˈka.rɔn</dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>sea<span class='smcp'>.T</span></dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>the&nbsp;sea₁</dd>
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	<dt class=''>Mang<span class='smcp'>&#8217;</span></dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>maŋ</dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>MOTION</span></dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>Down</dd>
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<dl style='display: inline-block; margin: 0 0.5em 0.25em 0;'>
	<dt class=''>avan</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>ˈa.van</dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>bottom</dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>&nbsp;</dd>
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	<dt class=''>​<u>​nongon​</u>​ya.</dt>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>nɔ.ˈŋɔn.ja</dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'>river<span class='smcp'>-LOC</span></dd>
	<dd class='' style='margin: 0; padding: 0'><span class='smcp'>(</span>a/the)&nbsp;river<span&nbsp;class='smcp'>.</span></dd>
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<p>Or would that be too far-fetched? After all, in the case of <em>beson</em> and <em>nongon</em>, word stress shifts around wildly due to the added suffixes, which lessens the similarity in sound even further.<sup class='footnote'><a href='#fn-2915-2' id='fnref-2915-2'>2</a></sup></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve so far avoided rhyming with suffixes because that wouldn&#8217;t really be too much of a challenge in terms of artificiality – it would be like using the same word twice to force a rhyme in English. On the other hand, it&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Fortuna" target="_blank">not like this wasn&#8217;t done in Latin</a> (though post-Classical in that case), which prominently features suffixes as well. Though in the case of &#8220;O Fortuna,&#8221; the last syllable of a word stem is also taken into account, plus inflectional suffixes, creating a polysyllabic rhyme. Doing it this way would mean, though, that you&#8217;d have to make sure the rhyming words are inflected for the same grammatical categories, which in itself might be an interesting challenge as well.</p>
<p>On a completely unrelated side note, look what Miekko has been doing for the past three weeks: <a href="http://miniatureconlangs.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Miniature Conlangs</a>.</p>
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<li id='fn-2915-1'>Exemplified in my take on Shelley&#8217;s poem <a title="“Sa silvu gumo nā, nay prisu, vāng si lita!”" href="http://benung.nfshost.com/archives/756">Ozymandias</a> and the <a href="http://benung.nfshost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/xmp_lcc4relay.pdf" target="_blank">LCC4 relay</a> (PDF) <span class='footnotereverse'><a href='#fnref-2915-1'>&#8617;</a></span></li>
<li id='fn-2915-2'>Note that all lines contain six syllables at least! <span class='footnotereverse'><a href='#fnref-2915-2'>&#8617;</a></span></li>
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